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MGB01 wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 3:07 pm So what have we learned from everything?

--Once again, the media has been trash. Selective reporting, omitting facts, reporters turned to cheerleaders..............Look I understand all about trying to keep relationships, but are you a journalist or what?

--Oregon and Washington blew the whole thing up for, in the next three years, a 60% increase over where they'd be at. Not small potatoes, but the costs of dragging around all the non-revs (the big three will be fine) hardly make it worth it, which is why I said yesterday that in 2028, you thought there was discontent now. A lot to merely get those home games with Ohio St/Michigan back that they lost to the lockdown. Will it have been worth it five years down the road? Goes for USC/UCLA too.

--The Big XII may be the only conference in the realignment eras (at least the only power conf anyway) that has gone basketball first. Only Utah brings anything on the gridiron. Colorado will until Deion leaves, but CU basketball has been more successful.

--What a clownshow
Interesting take. But look at it this way.

Pac-12 wasn't getting a big legacy Linear (broadcast/cable) deal due to Disney & legacy media biz issues, unless they went to Big12 or B1G Ten. Being primarily on a subscription service/streamer was not acceptable to any school, let alone Oregon / Wash. Oregon will be getting a larger $ than the crappy Apple TV offer and its expected to increase annually until 2031 when they will be full B1G Ten partners and FULL share. It's a no brainer.

Big12 is not looking at Basketball first... they are looking at splitting basketball down the road from FB to maximize revenue on both. AZ/ Colo/ Az St / Utah do bring FB value as they are of a P5 pedigree, Utah 2x champs, AZ rebounding and Deion Sanders. But most of all they grab markets in Phoenix, Denver, SLC those three alone make up 4.2% of TV HH Mkt share. AZ adds much smaller market but well known name and hoops. Geographically too these schools together make alot of sense.

Big12 gained so much, B1G Ten was additive, both are winners and the schools are too long term.
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Re: PAC-12 status and media rights deal

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In UW's case--I'll use them since they're actually getting stuck with a Peacock game this year, there's a good chance that with only four slots (CBS/NBC, the only way they see FOX is the dreaded 9:00a PT start road game) out of about ten candidates every week they might very well have a majority FS1/BTN games and Peacock thrown in.

In four years will this be worth it? Plus Oregon's already committed to keeping the Civil War going, whether it stays on Thanksgiving weekend is up in the air (although they're going to have to do something in the years that USC hosts Notre Dame so you don't have teams left off). If so, there goes that as a new rivalry game. I mean, would they play UMass or UConn or god forbid lower themselves to keeping the Apple Cup alive?

This is what happens when the media now effectively leads your athletic department. Spot decisions which there's no time to think about questions that will surface (and not all long-term either) and they're sure as hell not going to be there to help you answer them. Neither will all that money.
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nick1091 wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:46 pm BTW since this is XFLBoard, to steer this to some relevance, XFL better do all they can to please their ESPN overlords if this is the marketplace.

Based on USA Today's article, every Pac 12 team (save 3) did better on average ratings wise than the XFL's average, and even then the best offer they got was an incentive based Apple deal predicated on drawing subscribers. This would be a real bad market to go deal shopping in any time soon.
There's an article in The Athletic that says the following:

"According to three people with knowledge of the terms, Apple offered the members a five-year deal with an annual base rate of $23 million per school (a subsequent counteroffer lifted it to $25 million), with incentives based on projected subscribers to a Pac-12 streaming product akin to Apple’s MLS League Pass."

https://theathletic.com/4752583/2023/08 ... =twitterhq

So Apple was really willing to pay $300 million to air the conference's games, PLUS whatever incentives would be tied to subscriber increases. If the XFL got HALF that amount, we'd be dancing in the streets. I don't quite think it's as dire as some say.
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GregParks wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:33 pm
nick1091 wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2023 3:46 pm BTW since this is XFLBoard, to steer this to some relevance, XFL better do all they can to please their ESPN overlords if this is the marketplace.

Based on USA Today's article, every Pac 12 team (save 3) did better on average ratings wise than the XFL's average, and even then the best offer they got was an incentive based Apple deal predicated on drawing subscribers. This would be a real bad market to go deal shopping in any time soon.
There's an article in The Athletic that says the following:

"According to three people with knowledge of the terms, Apple offered the members a five-year deal with an annual base rate of $23 million per school (a subsequent counteroffer lifted it to $25 million), with incentives based on projected subscribers to a Pac-12 streaming product akin to Apple’s MLS League Pass."

https://theathletic.com/4752583/2023/08 ... =twitterhq

So Apple was really willing to pay $300 million to air the conference's games, PLUS whatever incentives would be tied to subscriber increases. If the XFL got HALF that amount, we'd be dancing in the streets. I don't quite think it's as dire as some say.
GP,

What's not as dire as some say?

Agreed XFL or USFL would gladly value their games at $150mm (half) hell even $75mm (a quarter) of the Apply TV Pac-12 offer. Though I do think both leagues (clearly Fox owed USFL) would want to be on Linear TV for at least 50% same as Pac-12 wanted. And lets face it for Apple that's pocket chg.
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Re: PAC-12 status and media rights deal

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Nightly funnies,

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... -stability
University of Washington President Ana Mari Cauce said Saturday that the program's departure from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten alongside Oregon was "not just about dollars and cents" but rooted in myriad factors, one being that the proposed TV rights deal between the Pac-12 and Apple did not provide the long-term stability the school was seeking.

"When you have a deal that people are saying that one of the best aspects are that you can get out of it in two years, that tells you a lot," Cauce said in a conference call with news media. "This was about national visibility for our players, being on linear TV so they can be seen, so they could have the national exposure. It was about stability. It was about having a future that we could count on and built towards."

Cauce went on to say that the TV deal the Pac-12 presidents had been discussing a few days before was not the same one that was on the table at the end, and that the opportunities and stabilities provided by the Big Ten were "simply unmatched."

"I have to say this was heart-wrenching," Cauce said. "For more than a year, all of us worked really, really hard to find a viable path forward that would keep us together."

Arizona State President Michael Crow, who also spoke to the media Saturday in the wake of ASU's departure to the Big 12, had a different outlook despite also leaving the conference. According to Crow, ASU was heavily interested in the Apple deal, which would have allowed for instant digitization of ASU football, men's basketball and women's basketball games and could also have enhanced the viewing experience as well as the athletes' ability to use game tape for their own purposes.

"There was some risk but huge opportunity," Crow said. "Some of the schools were committed to that but it created this another destabilizing moment of sort of tradition vs. this modern thing, so a lot of back and forth."

Cauce and Washington athletic director Jennifer Cohen were clear in their media availability that they were not in favor of the Apple deal, which they had expected to be one of several potential TV agreements to assess, not the only one as it turned out to be.

"I have every reason to believe that offers fell apart because of factors beyond [commissioner George Kliavkoff's] control," Cauce said. "There was enough uncertainty [with the Apple deal]. We had been living in uncertainty for too long to continue in that level. It makes it very, very hard to build."

The sudden departure of Oregon and Washington seemed to prompt those schools on the fence, such as ASU, to decide on their own futures as well. When Crow showed up to a pivotal meeting between Pac-12 presidents at 7 a.m. PT Friday, he noticed two schools were absent from the call. That told Crow all he needed to know.

"You might know there then that the conference is no longer viable," Crow said. "We were interested on finding a way to connect to more people, but we have to be in a viable conference to do that."

According to Crow, while Colorado's decision to leave the Pac-12 for the Big 12 last week was not fully responsible for ASU's eventual move, it did create an unstable moment that put the conference and its remaining members on notice. Once Oregon and Washington made their decision, Crow said the school was forced to act and seek a viable conference -- in its case, the Big 12 alongside Arizona and Utah.

"There are a lot of forces at work, including the overlords of the media empires that were driving a lot of this," Crow said. "[ASU] was one of the stalwarts fighting for the Pac-12 until the last moment."

ASU athletic director Ray Anderson said the program was trying to save the conference and remained "in the trenches" for as long as possible until it became clear that staying was no longer an option.

Cauce and Cohen seemed to arrive at that point earlier, along with Oregon's leaders, and on Saturday, they expressed a combination of melancholy for leaving the Pac-12 and excitement as they discussed the sudden move the Huskies are making.

"I'll be the first to say this is not perfect," Cohen said. "There will be challenges. This does require a lot of change in adaptability. Part of the decision was that we felt very confident in the agreement we had with the Big Ten to have the resources to adapt to the challenges, including travel costs and additional resources, that our student-athletes are going to need to have a successful experience in the Big Ten.
As I said, let's see if you're still saying the same thing when most of your games next year are on FS1 or BTN, with maybe one set for Peacock. Unless you're amenable to 9:00 a.m. road games at Ann Arbor or Columbus you're never seeing FOX, and get in line for CBS and NBC. Watch them get the same pair of games (network side) they had on ABC/FOX in '22 and try and spin it.

This being the 20th anniversary of the Rick Neuweasel debacle (and 30th of Don James pulling up tail and running, must be something with years that end in 3), I didn't think it was possible for them to "top" themselves here, but..............it's always possible: "Look ma, a lame attempt to keep Kalen DeBoer from going back to the Big Ten by joining the Big Ten!" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I always wanted to live in a Big Ten state one day, but not this bad...........................
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To heck with the FBS, I’ll keep going for the fun regionality games of the FCS contests!
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PAC-12 turned down $30mm ea Deal in 2022 by ESPN

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Yep that's leadership for you. Bunch of jackasses. And these people still have jobs? Unreal.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cf ... fer-report

>> Amid the latest phase of college football conference realignment, there are still questions about how exactly the Pac-12 was unable to keep its membership intact, and now it appears some of the details behind the scenes are coming to light, including the reported offer that the league actually turned down.

It was ESPN that came forward with a proposal for the Pac-12 that included the four-letter network paying the conference up to $30 million per school and included all of its media rights, including the Pac-12 Network, according to West Coast football insider John Canzano.

But the Pac-12 membership, feeling they could get more in the new marketplace, advised commissioner George Kliavkoff to ask the network for $50 million per school. ESPN's response to that counter-offer? "Goodbye." <<


Truth is out now and the fan bases should be pissed the F___ off!

Another take on it...
https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/lists/ ... -rejected/
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4th&long wrote: Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:45 pm Yep that's leadership for you. Bunch of jackasses. And these people still have jobs? Unreal.

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cf ... fer-report

>> Amid the latest phase of college football conference realignment, there are still questions about how exactly the Pac-12 was unable to keep its membership intact, and now it appears some of the details behind the scenes are coming to light, including the reported offer that the league actually turned down.

It was ESPN that came forward with a proposal for the Pac-12 that included the four-letter network paying the conference up to $30 million per school and included all of its media rights, including the Pac-12 Network, according to West Coast football insider John Canzano.

But the Pac-12 membership, feeling they could get more in the new marketplace, advised commissioner George Kliavkoff to ask the network for $50 million per school. ESPN's response to that counter-offer? "Goodbye." <<


Truth is out now and the fan bases should be pissed the F___ off!

Another take on it...
https://trojanswire.usatoday.com/lists/ ... -rejected/
You know who that entails? The defecting schools. But gee, let's kind of leave them hidden and give the readers the impression that it's some sort of shadow group that just sort of showed up alongside the commish. That's why the media reporting here is trash. All you need is a .gif of Paul Finebaum pounding on the table like he was Glenn Danzig/James Hetfield or the Undertaker yelling DIE DIE DIE.

As for the Rubber People's latest I'm not interested, but I am interested in watching the Spoiled Children win absolutely f...nothing in the B1G for like ten years and then blaming (since they've already used up Kliavkoff and Larry Scott) Tony Petitti, Kevin Warren, Jim Harbaugh, Brutus, Joe Paterno (I figure Colin Cowherd can help with that one) and whoever else they can find as to why: "WAAAAAAAAAA, they're making us travel two/three time zones!!!!!!!", well considering that's over 75% of the conference (70% on the longshot that Cal/Stanford keeps the band together), yeah...................................

Now is it really necessary to keep this thread going?
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PAC-2 status and media rights deal

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https://www.cbssports.com/college-footb ... ino-falls/

>> Stanford and Cal enter the ACC from the Pac-12 taking reduced media rights revenue shares of around 30%, according to Yahoo Sports. Both will contribute portions of its revenue back to the conference with the amount dwindling over time until the 10th year. SMU, meanwhile, will forgo ACC media rights revenue for its first nine years as a member moving from the American, sources confirmed to CBS Sports. The Mustangs will still receive College Football Playoff, NCAA Tournament and bowl game monies distributed to the league. <<

If they had done something like this earlier USC and UCLA would still be there, or at least they could have stopped after those two. Insisting of equal shares for unequal teams killed the PAC-12. Well that and alot of dumb decisions, and arrogance. :shock:
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Who cares? I'm sure the Big XII is just sky high over one of their new centerpieces waiting out a two hour weather delay to eke out a win over a glorified FCS indy (yeah they're technically in a conference but you can't name it without looking)

Actually the P12 would still be around (for now) if they had a guy like Phillips to strongarm/bully weak leadership like NC State (Of course like that means anything, they let Notre Dame lead them around FFS). Anyway, they're gonna be right back here when Florida State says "not good enough" and then what? So if that was the Pac 12's future with USC and fellow honorary spoiled children that's not a future to have.

Cue the laugh tracks every time somebody mentions stability.
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